# "Mathematics unjustly gets a bad press"

04/22/2021 | TU Graz screenshots | TU Graz news | Research | Studies

By Beate Mosing

## Students think: "Mathematics has got nothing to do with my life." Wrong! Professor Peter Grabner on the role of mathematics in everyday life – in bank transfers, weather trends and so on.

Today, sunshine and scattered clouds, but what will the weather be like tomorrow? Without mathematics, the weather report would lack forecasts. And a lot more in our everyday life would not be possible without mathematics.

## It seems as if the everyday relevance of mathematics is sometimes missing at school. Where is it essential?

Peter Grabner: Without mathematics, for instance, there would be no forecasts in weather reports. The mathematical models behind these flow evolutions are among the most complicated in applied mathematics. Behind this is an equation about which still quite little is known. Namely, how verifiably the behaviour of the solution depends on the initial values. This is well described by the metaphor of the butterfly effect. A small change at the beginning can bring about a big change down the road.

## Are you referring to accuracy in weather forecasts?

A prediction is only as good as the measurement data you put into it. The starting point for the forecast involves the measurement data collected at individual points on Earth. You never know all the details, only the measured ones. And the aforementioned butterfly cannot be included because it will not make its wing beat next to the measuring station.

## That means, as a mathematician, you don't trust weather forecasts on principle?

If I plan a mountain tour for tomorrow, I can only rely on the forecast. But one must be clear where the description of the world through mathematics ends. In mathematics, there is only true or false. In everyday life, there are many shades of grey in between.

## Talking about mountain tours and planning: with modern mobility, we can no longer do without satnavs. How complex is that in the background?

Behind satnavs are discrete optimizations in path networks and graphs. These are difficult problems where the required computational effort grows exponentially with the amount of data. The best solution here would involve in part huge amounts of time. This is why we work with approximations. These can be achieved with less computational power. Because if the satnav takes more than one minute, people start to get impatient. These approximations are good enough to calculate the optimal route to Vienna and a fairly realistic arrival time.

## Key word Google. Everyone knows the search engine uses an algorithm. What does this mean exactly?

The word algorithm is value-free. It is just a computational procedure. Behind it is the Latinization of the name of the Arab scholar Muhammad ibn Musa al-Chwarizmi. He wrote the first book on what today would be called algebra. In other words, how to solve equations. He stated a procedure which is broken down into small steps. Which is what "algorithm" means. But the idea behind it can be as complex as required. Just like Google. Google does not reveal its algorithm. But part of it is likely a probability process.

## Can we trust mathematics?

When we pay with our credit card number on the internet, we are users of a cryptographic system. Hardly anyone understands anything about this and we have to trust it. Data encryption is essential. Theoretically, of course, I can crack any cryptography system if I just spend enough time on it. But if it takes me a year to get a person's credit card information, it’s useless. So it’s a cost-benefit calculation. You have to keep the computational cost high enough to render it not worthwhile.

## A casual question coming up: why do we still need "human" mathematicians today? After all, computers do everything.

The idea that suddenly everything will be done by artificial intelligence (AI) is too naive and euphoric. Because AI runs out of creativity. It can pick out solutions from oodles of data, but it can't explain them. If I want to understand why something is the case, it gives no answer. And from an intellectual point of view, this is unsatisfactory.

## What are you working on in your research?

How to create well distributed point sets. For example, 10,000 points on a spherical surface. In terms of application, this means: what is the best way to distribute meteorological measuring stations on the earth's surface? It sounds simple, but that's where complex issues arise. We know that some options are better than others. But there is no algorithm to prove that this distribution is better than a random distribution. And this is what interests me: beating the odds!

## What is the ratio of female to male students in the field of mathematics at TU Graz?

We have 30 to 40 per cent female students. In the first semesters, teacher training students are also present, which means over 70 per cent are female students. Currently, there is a process under way to get more women into our faculty, both as students and as staff.

Studying at TU Graz: Mathematics is offered at TU Graz as a NAWI Graz programme in conjunction with the University of Graz. In addition to the Master's programme in Mathematics, further studies include the Master's programme in Computer Science held in English or – new as of autumn 2021 – the Master's programme in Computational Social Systems, also in English.
NAWI Graz, the natural sciences programme offered by TU Graz and the University of Graz, comprises six bachelor's and 15 master's programmes, nine of which are master's held in Eng-lish. The programmes range from (Technical) Chemistry, (Technical) Physics or Mathematics to Molecular Biology, Environmental Systems Science and Geosciences, Biochemistry, Molecular Biomedicine, Geosciences and many more.

## Was there an area of mathematics in your school years with which you were on a "war footing"?

At the very beginning, I wasn't particularly interested. But once it became more structured and specific, I knew it was my subject.

## So is mathematics for you pure enthusiasm?

Yes, it is. Mathematics deals with so many things. And it's important to me to make people aware of this. But every year in May, mathematics gets a bad press with reports that the Matura (Note: matriculation exam) has been so hard. If only people were aware that mathematics constantly plays a role in everyday life. It helps students not to be taken for fools later. For example, if they want them to read a graph on certain developments or finances.

Professor Peter Grabner would like to see the image of mathematics improve because of its value in our lives.

## Mathematics has an image of being complicated...

Mathematics provides answers that are not always popular. Answers people don't want to hear. And then they just say that mathematics is complicated. It probably has the disadvantage of correlating with reason. We know that we shouldn't play the lottery, but we just believe... In our country, celebrities and politicians flirt with the fact that they were bad at maths at school. In other countries that would be embarrassing, but in our culture it's OK. If we could get away from that, that would be a step in the right direction.

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